Here are the list of the 53 Cardinals who met in Rome for the Conclave in Rome in October 1958. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_electors_for_the_1958_papal_conclave Dr. Chojnowski: This telegraph from Ambassador Zellerbach (US ambassador to Italy) and the Secretary of State of the United States under the Eisenhower administration, John Foster Dulles is a clear path mark indicating to us what we should be looking for as regards the happenings in the 1958 papal conclave that met from October 25-28, exactly 2 weeks after this telegram to the US Secretary of State was written and sent. What do we read in this telegram and why does it matter in our investigation into the fate of Sister Lucy dos Santos of Fatima? We do not, as of yet, have a smoking gun telegram, but this one is clearly a picture of a double-barrel shot gun loaded, locked, safety off, aimed, and finger on the trigger communication. The US government seems an imminent "threat" and it is ready to act --- n
But Pope Benedict was at pains to stress that the NO IS the same liturgy. So Paul 6 did not change the Liturgy you see... the condemnations of Trent etc don't apply.
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He's not infallible unless he speaks in the right formula to proclaim something. So, perhaps he was just mistaken and, mistaken or not, he was and is still pope.
DeleteDear professor I have a question that maybe you will deem fit to answer at some time. Much of the "spirit of Vatican 2" centers around the so called newly discovered "dignity of Man." It is all wrapped up in modern personalism from philosophers like Husserl. JPll was much into this. The tradition and the Thomistic view do not in any way endorse this view. With original sin man lost original justice and needs a Redeemer to restore his dignity and friendship with God. If man has an innate dignity after the fall (not just traces) then he can redeem himself through ways other than Christ....is this what Vat2 teaches? Oh of course Jesus is the best way, but not the only way. It all sounds vaguely like Talmudic Freemasonry; Freedom, Equality and Fraternity...the Rights of man, the French Revolution (and communist revolution) with only a veneer of authentic Catholicism to trap the unsuspecting. The council more and more appears to be a disaster with criminal machinations involved. I have read Thomas on Craftiness, Guile and Fraud. To substantially depart from The Tradition is to cease to be Catholic. So was the Council a Catholic thing with traces of error or a very non Catholic thing with traces of Catholicism, I have come to believe it is the latter.
ReplyDeleteThe assertion that the NO is the same liturgy as the TLM defies common sense.
ReplyDeleteFr. Hesse made me into a traditional Catholic or lets just say plain old Catholic. You have to understand what you don't know first and he learned me when I was still going to the Novus Ordo on Sunday morning and wondering what was wrong.
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