Houston, We Have a Problem! It is the Solemn AND the Universal Ordinary Magisterium of the Church that is Infallible. And the Teaching of the Chair of Peter is Unblemished. Vatican I is Clear on these Points.



Sola Ex Cathedra is every bit as much a heresy as Sola Scriptura  

1.)    Sola Ex Cathedra (Popes are only infallible when making  

an ex cathedra definition) is a heresy of semi-Trads.  

2.)    Sola Scriptura (only the Bible is infallible) is a heresy of Protestants.  

 

If the Popes could at times teach heresy, how would we know when they are teaching truth or error?  We would have to be the superior of the Pope to decide when he is teaching the truth and when he is teaching falsehood…that is a complete prideful delusion!  

 

 

OBJECTION # 1:Vatican I said the Pope is only infallible when speaking Ex Cathedra  

 

ANSWER # 1: While it is true that Ex Cathedra statements are infallible; it is absolutely NOT true that Ex Cathedra statements are the ONLY times Popes are infallible. Vatican I infallibly declares:  

 

The First Vatican Council    

Dogmatic Constitution of Vatican I,Pastor Aeternus      

Pope Pius IX, July 18, 1870 A.D.      

    

“Indeed, their apostolic teaching was embraced by all the venerable fathers and reverenced and followed by all the holy orthodox doctors, for they knew very well that this see of St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error, in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Savior to the prince of his disciples: I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren.      

    

“This gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this see so that they might discharge their exalted office for the salvation of all, and so that the whole flock of Christ might be kept away by them from the poisonous food of error and be nourished with the sustenance of heavenly doctrine.”      

   

The First Vatican Council      

Dogmatic Constitution on the Catholic Faith, Dei Filius      

Pope Pius IX, 24 April 1870 A.D.      

    

“Wherefore, by divine and Catholic faith all those things are to be believed which are contained in the word of God as found in Scripture and tradition, and which are proposed by the Church as matters to be believed as divinely revealed, whether by her solemn judgment or in her ordinary and universal magisterium.”     

Comments

  1. Thank you very much for bring this out at this time to help people to wake up and begin to be a real Catholic. It's the time, now, don't be wishy washy no more. Either we stand up and be braved to face the enemies and take back the Kingship of Christ or we just surrender and die in shameful. Thank you RadTrad Thomist. Smash their heads with the TRUTH.

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  2. For sure the OUM is one of the MOST if not the MOST ignored inconveniences by our friends who I affectionately call "The Forgetful Trads" They really do mean well...but their memories tend to be foggy and/or forgetful when necessary.

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  3. This of course means that all the Vatican II papal claimants have been anti-popes, since a true pope cannot teach or promote heresy. But since the human mind always seeks the causes of things and is restless until it does ("Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas"), the theological argument for sedevacantism is greatly strengthened and more readily confirmed in the mind when it stands on the legs of the historical argument of the vitiated conclave of 1958, when the validly elected Cardinal Siri was threatened into an invalid abdication, apparently, as evidence shows, after a nuclear threat was made against the Vatican. The 5 minutes of white smoke 2 days before Roncalli was elected is just one piece of evidence among many. On the evidence of a nuclear threat, see padrepioandchiesaviva.com/Grave_Reasons_of_State.html and on the overthrow of the true pope, see whitesmoke1958.com. "Papal Imposters Full Movie" is also worth seeing.

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  4. Deo Gratias, Amen.... The coming Triumph of the Immaculate Heart may very well start with Peter's return to strengthen the brethren, let us pray so! Ubi Petrus, Ibi Ecclesia, Ibi Deus [St. Ambrose].

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  5. Vatican I is very clear. Unfortunately, it has many enemies within "traditional Catholicism", and it is becoming more and more evident.

    I have heard directly from R&R people (including clergy) that Vatican I can be ignored because it didn't finish and so the documents weren't officially promulgated. I have also heard some say that it didn't finish because God wasn't happy with it and wouldn't allow it to continue. Then you have people purporting to restore Catholic culture and tradition who openly muse that Vatican I might be wrong (and where the owner of such sites publicly muse that Catholicism itself might not even be true). Who would even want to be in a "church" that teaches error and where its head is open to ridicule by its members? How can such people call themselves a "traditional Catholic"s when they trash a general council of the Church? They've made their "Tradition" (with a capital T) more important than the Catholic Church.

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  6. The Church has 3 levels to the magisterium, 2 are infallible and one is not infallible. It's also heresy to deny the authentic magisterium, the level of the magisterium that is not infallible. If the pope cannot teach heresy in the authentic and fallible level of the magisterium, then you only have 2 levels of the magisterium both infallible. It then is in vain to say there are 2 levels of the magisterium because they are both infallible so there would be no reason to make a distinction. Such distinctions are only logical when there are 3 levels with one not infallible.

    Extra Ordinary Universal Magisterium (infallible) - (negative) let all those who say Jesus is not God be anathema (positive) We declare define and profess that Jesus is God.

    Ordinary Universal Magisterium (infallible) it's when a teaching of the magisterium meets certain conditions such as “it has been the constant teaching of the Church from the earliest times” or it was held unanimously by all the bishops of the Church at any given point in time or it was held unanimously by the theologians that lived at the time of St. Thomas Aquinas etc.

    When the faithful deny either of the 2 infallible levels of the magisterium, they automatically excommunicated themselves from the Church.

    The authentic magisterium is not infallible, meaning it is fallible, meaning a pope may be teaching heresy if it is incorrect. To deny the teaching of the Authentic magisterium renders a Catholic guilty of mortal sin but still Catholic. The faithful can refute a pope by quoting a pope, when they do so they are not guilty of mortal sin. But if the current pope is refuted by his predecessor, he is guilty of teaching heresy.

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