John Salza, Call Your Office: Fr. Kramer Releases His Text Showing that Heresy Automatically Separates one from the Catholic Church WITHOUT declaration.
Dr, Chojnowski: Here are the first 19 pages of a 222 page document explaining the Catholic doctrine on Leaving the Church and Falling from Office due to Heresy, Schism, or Apostasy. The rest of the UNFINISHED document will be published shortly. I am sorry for the jagged presentation of the text in some places. The blog format caused the text to be interrupted by the copious footnotes. I will try to organize it in a better way, as I publish the whole 220 pages of a work STILL IN PROGRESS.
from the Faith & the Church - Faith, Heresy, and Loss of Office - An Exposé of the Heresy of John Salza & Robert Siscoe Part I
Fr. Paul Kramer B.Ph., S.T.B., M.Div., S.T.L. (Cand.)
 
SECTION ONE
 
FAITH, HERESY & LOSS OF OFFICE
 
     
The sin of 
Heresy per se, like apostasy and schism, has the intrinsic effect of separating the heretic 
from the Church by itself, without any ecclesiastical censure or judgment; and is distinguished from 
other sins which do not by their very nature, separate the sinn
er from the body of the Church; and who, 
therefore, for grave offenses can only be separated from the Church by a
 
sentence
 
of excommunication 
incurred or inflicted by legitimate ecclesiastical authority. This is the infallible teaching of the universal 
mag
isterium of the Church which must be believed 
de fide divina et Catholica
 
under pain of heresy, as is 
proven and demonstrated below.
 
     
St. Pius V teaches in the Roman Catechism: "Heretics and schismatics are excluded from the Church, 
because they have d
efected (desciverunt) from her and belong to her only as deserters belong to the 
army from which they have deserted."; whereas those who have not left the Church by defecting, but 
are excluded from the Church by excommunication, are "cut off by her sentenc
e from the number of her 
children and belong not to her 
communion until they repent.”
1
 
1
 
Catechismus Romanus, Cap. 10,9: "Ex quo 
fit ut tria tantummodo hominum genera ab ea excludantur: primo 
infideles, deinde haeretici et schismatici, postremo excommunicati. Ethnici quidem, quod in Ecclesia numquam 
fuerunt, neque eam umquam cognoverunt, nec ullius sacramenti participes in populi ch
ristiani societate facti sunt. 
Haeretici vero atque schismatici, quia ab Ecclesia desciverunt, neque enim illi magis ad Ecclesiam spectant quam 
transfugae ad exercitum pertineant a quo defecerunt; non negandum tamen quin in Ecclesiae potestate sint, ut qui
 
ab ea in iudicium vocentur, puniantur et anathemate damnentur. Postremo etiam excommunicati, quod Ecclesiae 
iudicio ab ea exclusi ad illius communionem non pertineant donec resipiscant."
 
Pope Clement XIII declared the Roman Catechism to be far removed fro
m all danger of error, and that it sets forth  
the common doctrine of the Church error:  "Nam et illuc eam doctrinam contulerunt, quae communis est in 
Ecclesia, et procul abest ab omni periculo erroris; et hanc palam populo tradendam disertissimis verbis 
p
roposuerunt" 
--
 
thus, in matters of faith and morals it presents the teaching of the universal magisterium, 
promulgated with the authority equivalent to the authority of a dogmatic encyclical. 
 
     
Doctor John Hagan, [Vice Rector & Rector of the Irish College in Rome, 1904 
-
 
1930) writes thus: "The Roman 
Catechism is a work of exceptional authority. At the very least it has the same authority as a dogmatic Encyclical, 
--
 
it is an authoritative e
xposition of Catholic doctrine given forth, and guaranteed to be orthodox by the Catholic 
Church and her supreme head on earth. (cf. AUTHORITY AND EXCELLENCE OF THE ROMAN CATECHISM, 
http://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/romancat.html)
  
In order to understand how it is that heretics leave the Church by themselves 
--
 
i.e.,  that heresy per se, 
by the very nature of the transgression, separates the here
tic from the body of the Church as a 
consequence intrinsic to the nature of the sin, (as Pius XII teaches, "
suapte natura hominem ab Ecclesiae 
Corpore separet
"); and that by the fully deliberate and obstinate act of heresy, the heretics have left the 
Churc
h and separated themselves from union with the body of the Church: "a Corporis compage 
semetipsos misere separarunt", (as distinguished from those who for reason of a most grave fault have 
been cut off by the legitimate ecclesiastical authority 
--
 
"ob grav
issima admissa a legitima auctoritate 
seiuncti sunt"
 
[either a jure, i.e. 
latæ sententiæ
, or 
ab homine
, i.e. 
sententia ferenda
] ); it is necessary 
first to understand how one enters the Church as a faithful member; since it is by faith that one 
becomes a C
hristian and a member of the Church, and therefore it is by defecting from the faith into 
heresy or apostasy that one departs from the Church and ceases by the very nature of the sin to be a 
member.
 
     
It is first and foremost by faith that one is a Chri
stian, without which, (as St. Thomas teaches), no one 
can be said to be a Christian: "Primum quod est necessarium Christiano, est fides, sine qua nullus dicitur 
fidelis Christianus."
2
 
By faith, even before baptism (Acts 10:47), one can becomes united to th
e soul of 
the Church, and becomes a member not "in re" but "in voto" (as 
St. Robert Bellarmine teaches
3
). This is, 
as St. Thomas explains, in virtue of the effects of faith: 1) It is by faith that the soul is first united to God: 
"Primum est quod per fidem
 
anima coniungitur Deo: nam per fidem anima Christiana facit quasi 
quoddam matrimonium cum Deo";[2] and for that reason it is that one who is baptised must first 
profess the faith: "Et inde est quod quando homo baptizatur, primo confitetur fidem, cum dicit
ur ei, 
credis in Deum?".[2] And thus it is that Baptism is first a sacrament of faith: "Quia Baptismus est primum 
sacramentum fidei
." 
--
 
and for this reason Baptism is said to be "the door", the 
vitæ spiritualis ianua
 
and 
the
 
door to the other sacraments
4
;
 
for it is by this sacrament of faith that one enters the Church, and 
without faith the sacrament is of no benefit: "Baptismus enim sine fide non prodest."[1] From there it 
becomes clear that in order to be a member of the Church, it is necessary, (as St. 
Pius X teaches), to be 
baptised, and to believe and profess the doctrine of Jesus Christ ("Per esser membro della Chiesa è 
necessario esser battezzato, credere e professare
 
la dottrina di Gesù Cristo")
5
; since the Church is "the 
congregation of all baptize
d persons united in the same true faith, the same sacraments, and the same 
sacrifice, under the authority of the Sovereign Pontiff and the bishops in communion with him" 
--
 
and 
therefore, "To remain a real member of the Church after Baptism a person must p
rofess the one true 
2
 
Sancti Thomae de Aquin
o; 
Expositio in Symbolum Apostolorum, PROOEMIUM
3
 
De Ecclesia Militante, Lib. III, Cap. 3 
-
 
"there are those who belong to the soul  and not the body, as catechumens 
or the excommunicated, if indeed they have charity, which can happen." 
–
 
and, "Catechumens
 
however if not in re 
at least in voto are in the Church and are therefore able to be saved."
4
 
"Holy Baptism is the basis of the whole Christian life, the gateway to life in the Spirit (vitae spiritualis ianua), 
[Council Of Florence: DS 1314: vitae spirit
ualis ianua], and the door which gives access to the other sacraments." 
-
 
Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1213.
5
 
San Pio X, Catechismo Maggiore
faith and must not withdraw from the unity of the body of the Church in schism or heresy or be 
excommunicated by legitimate author
ity because of serious sins."
6
 
     
Thus, the heretic, schismatic, and apostate withdraw from unity and le
ave the Church, and thereby 
cease to be members, as St. Pius X teaches (in Question 200), Whoever would not believe in the solemn 
definitions of faith or would doubt them, would sin against faith; and remaining obstinate in unbelief, 
would no longer be a C
atholic, but a heretic. ("Chi non credesse alle definizioni solenni del Papa, o anche 
solo ne dubitasse, peccherebbe contro la fede, e se rimanesse ostinato in questa incredulità, non 
sarebbe più cattolico, ma eretico.) Heretics are not only those who stub
bornly doubt or deny any 
solemn definitions; but the same Pontiff teaches that they are heretics who refuse to believe any truth 
revealed by God which the Catholic Church teaches as "de fide": "Gli eretici sono i battezzati che 
ricusano con pertinacia di c
redere qualche verità rivelata da Dio e insegnata come di fede dalla Chiesa 
cattolica" (Q. 228).
 
    
The doctrine that not only the solemn definitions, but all that has been taught by the universal and 
ordinary magisterium of the Church as divinely reveale
d must be believed with divine and Catholic faith 
was set forth with precision in the Dogmatic Constitution 
《
Dei Filius
》
by the First Vatican Council: 
"Further, by divine and Catholic faith, all those things must be believed which are contained in the 
writt
en word of God and in tradition, and those which are proposed by the Church, either in a solemn 
pronouncement or in her ordinary and universal teaching power, to be bel
ieved as divinely revealed."
7
 
Thus it follows that heresy consists not only in the denia
l or refusal to believe solemnly defined dogmas, 
but any revealed truth taught by the universal magisterium that must be believed with divine and 
Catholic faith: "Can. 751 
—
 
Dicitur haeresis, pertinax, post receptum baptismum, alicuius veritatis divina 
et 
catholica credendae denegatio, aut de eadem pertinax dubitatio; apostasia, fidei christianae ex toto 
repudiatio". (Codex Iuris Canonici)
 
     
It is to be noted that in both extraordinary and ordinary Magisterium, the doctrine must either be 
proclaimed with
 
a “definitive act” (extraordinary) or it is agreed that it is “to be held as defininive.” The 
teaching of both the extraordinary and the universal and ordinary Magisterium are defined doctrines. 
Any doctrine that is not defined does not pertain to the inf
allible Magisterium of the Church. 
 
Francisco Marin
-
Sola O.P. explains: 
 
"The Church’s doctrinal authority or magisterium has for its proper and specific purpose the 
conservation and exposition of the revealed deposit. To determine or to fix infallibly the
 
true meaning of 
the divine deposit is called a definition of faith by the Church ... 
 
6
 
Baltimore Catechism No. 3, 1949, Official Revised Edition, p. 78; annotated by Rev. Francis J. Connell 
C.ss.R., 
S.T.D.
7
 
"Porro fide divina et catholica ea omnia credenda sunt, quae in verbo Dei scripto vel tradito continentur, et ab 
Ecclesia sive solemni iudicio sive ordinario et universali magisterio tamquam divinitus revelata credenda 
proponuntur."
These two ways of exercising the magisterium on the content and the meaning of the revealed deposit 
are of equal dogmatic value, and both are true definitions of faith. 
Between them there exists only an 
accidental difference, to wit, that the magisterium exercised by the Ecumenical Council or by the Pope 
speaking ex cathedra is done with a greater solemnity and show of formulae and is easily discernible by 
all; on the oth
er hand, the ordinary magisterium is exercised through the universal teaching of the 
Church without any special display or set formulae, and at times it is not so easy to determine 
its scope 
and signification."
8
 
     
A precise and official formulation on M
agisterium and that which must be believed de fide is to be 
found in Canons 749 and 750 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law: Can 749  §1. “The Supreme Pontiff, in 
virtue of his office, possesses infallible teaching authority when, as supreme pastor and teacher o
f all 
the faithful ... he proclaims with a definitive act that a doctrine of faith or morals is to be held as such.” 
 
§2. “The college of bishops also possesses infallible teaching authority when the bishops exercise their 
teaching office gathered together
 
in an ecumenical council when, as teachers and judges of faith and 
morals, they declare that for the universal Church a doctrine of faith or morals must be definitively held; 
they also exercise it scattered throughout the world but united in a bond of com
munion among 
themselves and with the Successor of Peter when together with that same Roman Pontiff in their 
capacity as authentic teachers of faith and morals they agree on an opinion to be held as definitive.”
 
      
Can. 750 §1. A person must believe with
 
divine and Catholic faith all those things contained in the 
word of God, written or handed on, that is, in the one deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and at 
the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn magisterium of the Church 
or by its 
ordinary and universal magisterium which is manifested by the common adherence of the Christian 
faithful under the leadership of the sacred magisterium; therefore all are bound to avoid any doctrines 
whatsoever contrary to them.
 
§2. Each and ever
y thing which is proposed definitively by the magisterium of the Church concerning the 
doctrine of faith and morals, that is, each and every thing which is required to safeguard reverently and 
to expound faithfully the same deposit of faith, is also to be 
firmly embraced and retained; therefore, 
one who rejects those propositions which are to be held definitively is opposed to the doc
trine of the 
Catholic Church.
9
 
8
 
Fra
ncisco Marin
-
Sola, O.P., The Homogeneous Evolution of Catholic Dogma, Manila, 1988, p. 288.
9
 
Can. 749 
—
 
§ 1. Infallibiitate in magisterio, vi muneris sui gaudet Summus Pontifex quando ut supremus omnium 
christifidelium Pastor et Doctor, cuius est fratres 
suos in fide confirmare, doctrinam de fide vel de moribus tenendam definitivo 
actus proclamat. 
 
§ 2. Infallibiitate in magisterio pollet quoque Collegium Episcoporum quando magisterium exercent Episcopi in Concilio 
Oecumenico coadunati, qui, ut fidei et mo
rum doctores et iudices, pro universa Ecclesia doctrinam de fide vel de moribus 
definitive tenendam declarant aut quando per orbem dispersi, communionis nexum inter se et cum Petri successore servantes, 
una cum eodem Romano Pontifice authentice res fidei v
el morum docentes, in unam sententiam tamquam definitive tenendam 
conveniunt. 
 
     
The truths of faith taught by the Magisterium must be understood according to the mind of the 
Church with the same unchanging meaning: "For the doctrine of the faith which God has revealed ... has 
been entrusted as a divine deposit to the spouse of Ch
rist, to be faithfully guarded and infallibly 
interpreted. Hence, also, that understanding of its sacred dogmas must be perpetually retained, which 
Holy Mother Church has once declared; and there must never be a recession from that meaning under 
the specio
us name of a deeper understanding. 
 
     
Therefore ... let the understanding, the knowledge, and wisdom of individuals as of all, of one man as 
of the whole Church, grow and progress strongly with the passage of the ages and the centuries; but let 
it be so
lely in its own genus, namely in the same dogma, with the same sense and the same 
understanding (St. Vincen
t of Lérins)." (Dei Filius)
10
 
     
St. Vincent of Lérins in his Commonitory lays down the rules that must be observed in order to 
safeguard the sacred
 
doctrine so that its authentic meaning can be perpetually retained: "Moreover, in 
the Catholic Church itself, all possible care must be taken, that we hold that faith which has been 
believed everywhere, always, by all. For that is truly and in the stricte
st sense Catholic which, as the 
name itself and the reason of the thing declare, comprehends all universally. This rule we shall observe if 
we follow universality, antiquity, consent. We shall follow universality if we confess that one faith to be 
true, wh
ich the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity, if we in no wise depart from 
those interpretations which it is manifest were notoriously held by our holy ancestors and fathers; 
consent, in like manner, if in antiquity itself we adhere to th
e consentient definitions and 
determinations of all, or at the least of almost all priests and doctors."
 
     
The universality, antiquity an
d consensus
 
on points of doctrine which distinguish them as being of 
divine origin are pre
-
eminently to be found whe
r
e there is the unanimous consensus
 
of the Fathers on a 
point of doctrine. In matters of faith and morals the  true sense of sacred scripture is to be understood 
as the Church, which has the authority to interpret and judge, has understood and understands 
it; and  
no one may interpret them contrary to this sense; and it is permitted to no one to interpret the 
scriptures contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers: "Nos, . . . , hanc illius mentem esse 
declaramus, ut in rebus fidei et morum, ad aedifica
tionem doctrinae Christianae pertinentium, is pro 
Can. 750 
—
 
§ 1. Fide divina et catholica ea omnia credenda sunt quae verbo Dei scripto vel tradito, uno scilicet fidei deposito 
Ecclesiae commisso, continentur, et insimul ut di
vinitus revelata proponuntur sive ab Ecclesiae magisterio sollemni, sive ab eius 
magisterio ordinario et universali, quod quidem communi adhaesione christifidelium sub ductu sacri magisterii manifestatur; 
tenentur igitur omnes quascumque devitare doctrinas
 
iisdem contrarias. 
 
§ 2. Firmiter etiam amplectenda ac retinenda sunt omnia et singula quae circa doctrinam de fide vel moribus ab Ecclesiae 
magisterio definitive proponuntur, scilicet quae ad idem fidei depositum sancte custodiendum et fideliter exponend
um 
requiruntur; ideoque doctrinae Ecclesiae catholicae adversatur qui easdem propositiones definitive tenendas recusat.
10
 
Neque enim fidei doctrina, quam Deus revelavit, velut philosophicum inventum proposita est humanis ingeniis 
perficienda, sed tamquam d
ivinum depositum Christi Sponsae tradita, fideliter custodienda et infallibiliter 
declaranda. Hinc sacrorum quoque dogmatum is sensus perpetuo est retinendus, quem semel declaravit Sancta 
Mater Ecclesia, nec umquam ab eo sensu, altior intelligentiae specie
 
et nomine, recedendum. Crescat igitur et 
multum vehementerque proficiat, tam singulorum, quam omnium, tam unius hominis, quam totius Ecclesiae, 
aetatum ac saeculorum gradibus, intelligentia, scientia, sapientia; sed in suo dumtaxat genere, in eodem scilic
et 
dogmate, eodem
 
sensu, eademque sententia (Vinc
. Lir. Common, n. 28).
vero sensu sacrae Scripturae habendus sit, quem tenuit ac tenet Sancta Mater Ecclesia, cuius est 
iudicare de vero sensu et interpretatione Scripturarum sanctarum; atque ideo nemini licere contra hunc 
sensum
, aut etiam contra unanimem consensum Patrum ipsam Scripturam sacram interpretari."
 
[
Dei 
Filius
]
     
Steve Ray, in
 
«
Unanimous Consent of the Fathers
»
, (written for the Catholic Dictionary of Apologetics 
and Evangelism by Ignatius Press), says, on the auth
ority of ecclesiastical writers, "Where the Fathers 
speak in harmony, with one mind overall
-
not necessarily each and every one agreeing on every detail 
but by consensus and general agreement
-
we have 'unanimous consent'."
 
     
Unanimous consent in interpreting scripture cannot be intelligibly understood in the fundamentalistic 
sense of unanimous interpretation of many Fathers of individual scriptural texts and verses, (which is 
rare), but is understood by the Church to deno
te a moral unanimity of the Fathers agreeing or 
consenting on points of doctrine that are derived from various texts of scripture.
 
     
Thus, (Cardinal) Yves Congar writes, "In fact, a complete consensus is unnecessary: quite often, that 
which is appealed 
to as sufficient for dogmatic points does not go beyond what is encountered in the 
in
te
r
pretation of many texts."
11
 
On the consensus of the Fathers, Fr. Bernard Schid writes, "“[T]he 
unanimity of the Fathers (Consensus Patrum), in matters of faith and moral
s, begets complete certainty 
and commands assent, because they, as a body, bear witness to the teaching and belief of the infallible 
Church, representing the Church herself. So the authority of the Fathers is binding only when they all 
agree upon a questio
n of faith and morals. The consensus, however, need not be absolute; a moral 
agreement suffices, as, for instance, when some of the greatest Fathers testify to a doctrine of the 
Church, and the rest, though quite aware of it, do
 
not positively oppose it.”
12
 
On this point Congar 
states, "As a matter of fact, a few testimonies sufficed, even that of one single man if his particular 
situation or the consideration accorded him by the Church were such as to give to what he said the 
value of coming from a quasi
-
pe
rsonification of the whole Church at that time." [11]
 
On this point of 
what constitutes “consensus” or “moral unanimity”, there is no disagreement among theologians. 
Benedict Lemeer O.P., who had been Dean of the Faculty of Theology at the Pontifical Unive
rsity of St. 
Thomas Aquinas in Rome for many years explained it this way in his lectures, as did Fr. De Simone, 
professor of Patristics in his Angelicum lectures. I mention this here, because John Salza continues with 
his repeated 
ad hominem
 
ridicule
 
again
st
 
me for having quoted Yves Congar and Steve Ray 
–
 
but never 
once expressing disagreement with their opinion in this matter.
 
     
The Catholic belief on heresy is stated in scripture, interpreted unanimously by the Fathers, 
explicated by the Doctors and t
heologians, defined by the universal and ordinary Magisterium of the 
Church, and taught by the Supreme Pontiffs to the whole Church in their ordinary magisterium.
 
     
The doctrine that, 
«
The sin of Heresy per se, like apostasy and schism, has the intrinsi
c effect of 
separating the heretic from the Church by itself, without any ecclesiastical censures or judgment; and is 
11
 
Yves Congar on the “Unanimous Consent of the Fathers” in, Tradition and Traditions; McMilla
n Company, New 
York, 1966. 
12
 
Manual of Patrology, by Rev. Bernard Schid, O.S. B, Herder Bo
ok Co., 1917, p.  31.
distinguished from other sins which do not by their very nature, separate the sinner from the body of 
the Church; and who, therefore, for 
grave offenses can only be separated from the Church by a sentence 
of excommunication incurred or inflicted by legitimate ecclesiastical authority
»
, is taught plainly and 
explicitly in Mystici Corporis:
 
"In Ecclesiae autem membris reapse ii soli annumerand
i sunt, qui regenerationis lavacrum receperunt 
veramque fidem profitentur, neque a Corporis compage semet ipsos misere separarunt, vel ob 
gravissima admissa a legitima auctoritate seiuncti sunt." and, "Siquidem non omne admissum, etsi grave 
scelus, eiusmod
i est ut 
—
 
sicut schisma, vel haeresis, vel apostasia faciunt 
—
 
suapte natura hominem ab 
Ecclesiae Corpore separet."
 
     
The common and general meaning of the word "admissum" is defined by Lewis & Short as a 
"voluntary fault", and only in certain specific
 
instances can it be understood to mean "crime", when the 
particular context in which it is used supports that interpretation. Salza & Siscoe gratuitously interpret 
the term as used in Mystici Corporis to mean "offense" as in"crime" 
--
 
a canonical delict o
r transgression 
of ecclesiastical positive law which, in the case of heresy by ecclesiastical authority incurs the penalty of 
excommunication 
latæ sententiæ
. It is quite impossible, and in fact, 
contra rationem
, for the word 
"admiss
um" to be understood as 
meaning 
only
 
the
 
canonical delict
 
of heresy, schism, or apostasy 
suapte 
natura
 
separates a man from the Church, but not the external sin,
 
in the context that it is used in this 
passage of Mystici Corpori
s, because that would render the
 
meaning 
of the passage 
unintelligible and 
entirely irrational.
 
     
Salza & Siscoe go to great lengths to insist that the words "admissa" and "admissum" mean, 
"crime(s)", and not "sin(s)"; but when you examine the syntax of text very carefully, 
it makes no 
differe
nce how you translate the terms.
 
Read the Latin text very carefully 
–
 
it says: "And thus not every 
offense (sin, fault, crime), even a grave crime, does such 
–
 
as schism, heresy, and apostasy do 
–
 
by their 
very nature separate a man from unity of the body 
the Church." There it is: Others are separated from 
the Church "by the legitimate authority of the Church"; as opposed to those who "miserably separate 
thems
elves from union with the body
"
 
of the Church
 
by heresy, schism, or apostasy, which separate 
them 
n
ot
 
by the authority of the Church, but 
suapte natura
. It pertains to the nature of a crime that it 
separates one from the Church by the penalty of excommunication, incurred or inflicted by the authority 
of the Church. Heresy, schism and apostasy are declar
ed
 
by Pius XII, (in conformity with the constant 
teaching of the universal magisterium),
 
to be the sole exceptions, because heretics, schismatics, or 
apostates are declared not to be separated from the body of the Church “by legitimate authority”, 
but 
by t
he very nature of the sinful act, by which they 
“miserably separated themselves from the unity of 
the Body” 
of the Church
 
(a Corporis compage semet ipsos misere separarunt)
. Salza & Siscoe interpret 
this papal magisterial text by conflating it with the pri
vate opinion of John of St. Thomas, in order to 
support their heretical belief 
that
 
the sinful act of manifest formal
 
heresy
 
by itself does not
 
suapte 
natura
 
separate a man from the C
hurch
 
unless there is pronounced a judgment of the Church
 
for the 
“crime”
 
of heresy
, 
but 
"without an additional 
censure
"
 
–
 
(according to them), there must be some 
judgment, condemnation or penal censure, but not the additional censure. i.e. a vitandus declaration.
 
A
ccording to them, it must be a can
onical delict 
–
 
a penal offen
se judged by the Church
 
for heresy to 
separate a man from the Church “suapte natura”!
 
However, if there is 
any
 
judgment or
 
censure
 
at all
, 
then the heretics are separated by the 
"legitimate authority of the Church"
, and therefore not by heresy 
suapte 
natura
, by which they "miserably separated themselves from the unity of the body" of the 
Church. One is either separated from the body of the Church by
 
excommunication, i.e. “by legitimate
 
authority
”
, or by one’s own
 
sinful
 
act of desertion, which accordin
g to its very nature nature separates 
one from the body of the Church, as St. Pius V and St. Pius X teach in their catechisms. There exists no 
third way out of the Church, by which one is separated from the body of the Church by some judgment, 
before being
 
excommunicated
 
or declared 
vitandus
. Thus, their interpretation of the passage
 
of 
Mystiici 
Corporis
 
would render it entirely irrational.
 
     
As can be seen from the above quoted text of St. Pius V's Catechism, heretics withdraw (descisco, 
desciscere, des
civi, descitum 
-
 
withdraw, leave, revolt from, desert defect), they leave the Church on 
their own
, as opposed to the 
excommunicati
, who are expelled by act of authority
. By the act of heresy, 
i.e., by the sin of defecting from the Catholic faith by an exte
rnal act
 
of manifest formal heresy, the 
heretic, by that
 
act of heresy 
suapte natura
13
, i.e., by the effect that is intrinsic to the nature of 
the act 
of formal 
heresy, leaves the Church and ceases to be a member. It is not by the force of law in virtue of 
a 
latæ sententiæ
 
excommunication, or
 
in any manner
 
by means
 
of
, or aft
er any ecclesiastical judgment
, 
that the heretic ceases to be a member of the Church by having been expelled from the Church by the 
authority of ecclesiastical law (ob gravissima admissa
 
a legitima auctoritate seiuncti sunt),
 
nor is it 
necessary for a heretic to formally declare his separation from the Church or join another religios sect or 
denomination, 
 
but the act of desertion itself
 
intrinsic to formal heresy
, 
suapte natura
, separate
s the 
heretic from the
 
body of the Church, so that any
 
judgment or
 
censure does not in any manner separate 
the heretic from the Church
 
or dispose the heretic to be separated 
f
rom the Church;
 
but only gives 
juridical recognition and adds force of law to the
 
fact of separation
 
accomplished
 
suapte natura
 
by 
heresy, and therefore
  
per se
 
by the heretic
 
entirely by himself
; and
 
therefore the censure merely gives 
juridical recognition to the fact and
 
imposes the obligation of absolution from the censure as a cond
ition 
for reconciliation with the Church.
 
 
     
If Salza's interpretation of Mys
tici Corporis were correct,
14
 
i.e., that only the canonical delict of heresy 
suapte natura
, but not the sin of heresy 
suapte natura 
severs the heretic from the body of the Church, 
13
 
The term "suapte natura" simply means "by or of its own nature". The meaning in law is identical: "Lat. In its 
own nature. Suapte natura sterilis, barren in its own nature and quality; intrinsically barren." 
-
 
Black's Law 
Dictionary
 
(online)
 
The act of desertion from the Church is intrinsic to the nature of the sin of heresy, apostasy or 
schism, committed as an external act; whereas the act of separating oneself from the Church is not intrinsic to the 
nature other crimes, but the sep
aration takes place by the authority of the Church.
14
 
The Salza/Siscoe interpreration of Mystici Corporis is not shared by any academically qualified 
theologian in the world. Mons. Van Noort wrote: 
 
"b. Public heretics (and a fortiori, apostates) are not m
embers of the Church. They are not members because they 
separate themselves from the unity of Catholic faith and from the external profession of that faith. Obviously, 
therefore, they lack one of three factors
—
baptism, profession of the same faith, union w
ith the hierarchy
—
pointed out by Pius XII as requisite for membership in the Church. The same pontiff has explicitly pointed out that, 
unlike other sins, heresy, schism, and apostasy automatically sever a man from the Church. 'For not every sin, 
however gr
ave and enormous it be, is such as to sever a man automatically from the Body of the Church, as does 
schism or heresy or apostasy'."
 
(
Dogmatic Theology, Volume II, Christ’s Church, p. 241
-
242.)
 
then the distinction between those who depart from the Church by their own act of desertion, and 
those who are expelled from the Church by legitimate authority would not exist, since all sinners
 
separated fro
m the Church for being
 
guilty of a delict
, including heretics, would then be separated from 
the Church by 
legitimate 
authority 
--
 
by a
 
judgment of guilt, or a
 
sentence of excommunication incurred 
or inflicted by legi
timate ecclesiastical authority;
 
and not
 
by the very nature of the act of desertion. It is 
also quite absurd to say that the crime of heresy only, but not the sin, (which is identical in essence to 
the sin, and defined in both Canon Law and Moral Theology in identical terms), 
suapte natura
 
sever
s the 
perpetrator from the Church in some manner other than by which other crimes separate the offender 
from the Church, since under both aspects the crime and the sin are identical in nature except for the 
censure that would make the sin a crime indisting
uishable in nature from any other crime.
 
    
It is patent, however, that Pius XII in the same Mystici Corporis speaks of heresy schism and apostasy 
suapte natura
 
considered in themselves, and not as a canonical delict, when he says it is a matter, not of 
h
uman law, but of divine law (
iubente Domino
) that those who refuse to hear the Church are cut off: 
“
Sicut igitur in vero christifidelium coetu unum tantummodo habetur Corpus, unus Spiritus, unus 
Dominus et unum Baptisma, sic haberi non potest nisi una fide
s ; 18 atque adeo qui Ecclesiam audire 
renuerit, iubente Domino habendus est ut ethnicus et publicanus.  19 Quamobrem qui fide vel regimine 
invicem dividuntur, in uno eiusmodi Corpore atque uno eius divino Spiritu vivere nequeunt.
” And thus
 
he 
says in the 
following parag
raph, that hence, literally, 
siquidem
, i.e., “accordingly” not all sins as do 
schism, heresy, or apostasy separate a man from the body of the Church: “
20 Siquidem non omne 
admissum, etsi grave scelus, eiusmodi est ut 
—
 
sicut schisma, vel hae
resis, vel apostasia faciunt 
—
 
suapte natura hominem ab Ecclesiae Corpore separet.
”
 
      
Finally, if Salza's opinion that only the canonical crime of heresy (but not the public sin by its very 
nature), severs the heretic from the Church, then the perpetua
l teaching of the Church, namely, that 
heresy 
per se
, and not heresy considered as a canonical delict, severs the heretic from the Church, 
would be an error. St. Robert Bellarmine quotes St. Jerome (d. 420 AD), one of the four major Latin 
Fathers, who teac
hes with the unanimous consensus of the Fathers, "Jerome comments on the same 
place, saying that 
other sinners, through a judgment of excommunication are excluded from the Church
; 
heretics, however, leave by themselves and are cut from the body of Christ
".
 
Bellarmine states explicitly 
that the heretic is cut off from the body of the Church before any sentence of excommunication comes 
into effect: “Yet heretics are outside the Church, even before excommunication, and deprived of all 
jurisdiction, for they ar
e condemned by their own judgment, as the Apostle teaches to Titus; that is, 
they are cut from the body of the Church without excommunication, as Jerome expresses it.” 
 
     
St. Robert Bellarmine teaches most explicitly (
De Romano Pontifice, II xxx
) that i
t is 
heresy by its very 
nature
, (
ex natura haeresis
), which 
severs the heretic from the Church
, and 
causes the immediate loss 
of ecclesiastical office
: “Thenceforth, 
the Holy Fathers teach in unison, that not only are heretics 
outside the Church, but they 
even lack all Ecclesiastical jurisdiction and dignity
 
ipso facto
.”  Salza 
desperately attempts to interpret the Fathers as teaching that the heretic’s severing himself from the 
Church and the subsequent loss of office result from an ecclesiastical censure 
or judgment. Bellarmine, 
in his refutation of the Fourth Opinion utterly destroys that argument: “Nor does the response which 
some make avail, that these Fathers speak according to ancient laws, but now since the decree of the 
Council of Constance they do 
not lose jurisdiction, unless excommunicated by name, or if they strike 
clerics. I say this avails to nothing. 
For those Fathers, when they say that heretics lose jurisdiction, do 
not allege any human laws which maybe did not exist then on this matter; rat
her, they argued from 
the nature of heresy
. Moreover, the Council of Constance does not speak except on the 
excommunicates, that is, on these who lose jurisdiction through a judgment of the Church. Yet 
heretics 
are outside the Church, even before excommuni
cation, and deprived of all jurisdiction, for they are 
condemned by their own judgment
, as the Apostle teaches to Titus; that is, 
they are cut from the body 
of the Church without excommunication, as Jerome expresses it.
” (Neque valet, quod quidam 
responden
t, istos Patres loqui 
secundum antiqua jura,
 
nunc autem ex decreto Concilii Constantiensis 
non amittere jurisdictionem, nisi nominatim excommunicatos, & percussores clericorum; hoc, inquam, 
nihil valet. Nam Patres illi cum dicunt haereticos amittere jurisd
ictionem, non allegant ulla jura humana, 
quae etiam forte tunc nulla extabant de hac re: sed argumentantur 
ex natura haeresis
. Concilium autem 
Constantiense, non loquitur 
nisi de excommunicatis
, id est, de his, qui per sententiam Ecclesiae 
amiserunt jurisd
ictionem. Haeretici autem etiam ante excummunicationem sunt extra Ecclesiam, & 
privati omni jurisdictione: sunt enim proprio judicio condemnati, ut docet Apostolus ad Titum3. V. II. Hoc 
est: praecisi a corpore Ecclesiae, sine excommunication, ut Hieronymus
 
exponit.) Thus, St. Robert 
Bellarmine proves that it is the teaching of scripture, interpre
ted unanimously by the Fathers, 
that 
heretics are outside the Church and lose all jurisdiction by themselves before any judgment is made by 
the Church. 
 
     
It is also shown by reason 
–
 
by the very meaning of the words schism, heresy, apostasy 
suapte natura
 
in Mystici Corporis, and and 
ex natura haeresis
 
in De Romano Pontifice, that what is being spoken of is 
heresy in itself, in its very own nature, and 
not heresy considered as a violation of ecclesiastical law; 
because a thing considered in its nature, is considered formally as a 
principium motus in eo quod est
. St. 
Thomas takes this definition straight from the Physics of Aristotle (Aristotle, Physics, 
III, I, 201 a 10 s.); 
and says, 
“Naturalia enim sunt quorum principium motus in ipsis est."
 
(
Sancti Thomae de Aquino, De 
motu cordis ad magistrum Philippum de Castro Caeli) Thus to speak of heresy 
suapte natura
, or of 
heresy 
ex natura haeresis
, refers to i
t as a principle of motion that is intrinsic to itself, and by which it 
separates the heretic from the Church, and not by any extrinsic principle such as the force of a human 
positive law. 
 
     
Thus, as explained above, it is by faith that one is first un
ited to God; and by the external profession 
of faith, and the sacrament of faith, that one enters the Church, because it pertains properly to the 
nature of faith that it unites one to God and to his Church; and it is by the contrary disposition of the sin 
of infidelity 
–
 
of heresy or apostasy, by which one, with an external act, rejects faith, and leaves the 
Church. Such is the motion proper to each nature, as St. Thomas explains, that the natural motion of fire 
is upward, and of earth downward ([M]otus aut
em naturalis ad unam partem est, ut ignis sursum, et 
terrae deorsum); so likewise the motion of faith brings one into the Church, and heresy 
suapte natura
 
takes one out. 
 
     
Bellarmine explains that even bad Catholics are united to the Church and are mem
bers, they are 
united by the soul through faith, and by the body through the confession of faith and the visible 
participation of the sacraments. (
Nam Catholici enim mali sunt uniti, & sunt membra; animo, per fidem; 
corpore per confessionem fidei, & visibi
lium Sacramentorum  participationem
); and secret heretics are 
united and are members only by external union, but a manifest heretic is not a member of the Church in 
any manner, by neither soul nor body, neither by internal nor external union. (
haereticus m
anifestus, 
nullo modo  est membrum Ecclesiae, id est, neque animo, neque corpore, sive neque unione interna, 
neque externa
)     
 
     
Applying this doctrine to the hypothetical case of a manifestly heretical pope, Bellarmine explains in 
what manner faith i
s 
simpliciter
 
a necessary disposition for one to be pope; and faith being removed, by 
its contrary disposition, which is heresy, the pope would straigh
taway cease to be pope, with
 
the 
necessary disposition
 
for the form of the papacy not being able to be pr
eserved. (
ista dispositione 
sublata per contrariam quae est haeresis, mox papa desinit esse; neque enim potest forma conservari 
sine necessariis dispositionibus.
) It is therefore on this theological foundation that Bellarmine judges the 
fifth opinion to be
 
the “true opinion”, and according to it that Bellarmine’s explication of it must be 
interpreted. Thus, when Bellarmine affirms that a manifestly heretical pope can be “deposed”, it is 
clearly his meaning that he refers not to a pope while still in office,
 
but one who has already ceased to 
be pope by himself, or; as Pope Gregory XVI expressed it of 
the claimant 
P
edro De Luna (Benedict X
III), if 
ever he was pope, would have already “fallen” (decaduto) from the papal throne for having attacke
d the 
dogma “unam
 
sanctam”.
15
 
 
     
The correct understanding of the doctrine of St Robert Bellarmine, which exposes the absurdity of the 
Salza & Siscoe interpretation of Bellarmine’s doctrine on the question of a heretic pope, is explained by 
the Jesuit canonists Franz Xav
ier Wernz S.J. and Pedro Vidal S.J. in, J
us Canonicum (1938) Chapter VII:
 
“453. 
By heresy which is notorious and openly made known. The Roman Pontiff should he fall into it is 
by that very fact even before any declaratory sentence of the Church deprived of
 
his power of 
jurisdiction
. (
Per haeresim notoriam et palam divulgatam R. Pontif
ex si in illam incidat, ipso
 
facto 
etiam ante omnem sententiam declaratoriam Ecclesiae sua potestate iurisdictionis privatus existit
) 
Concerning this matter there are five Opin
ions of which the first denies the hypothesis upon which the 
entire question is based, namely that a Pope even as a private doctor can fall into heresy. This opinion 
15
 
“
Ora quali molestie  non riceveva ella la Chiesa da Benedett
o, che pertinacemente col fatto impugnava l’articolo 
unam, sancatm? Fulminava  questi I più terribili anatemi contro il Concilio, e contro gli aderenti agli altri Pontefici, 
e praticava tutti I più precipitosi attentati onde conservarsi sul trono illegitim
mante occupato; pretendendo che la 
Chiesa di Gesù Cristo perita in tutte le altre parti del mondo, si trovasse ristretta nella sola Paniscola, come rispose 
ai legati del Concolio: Ibi non est Ecclesia, sed in Paniscola est vera, inquam, Ecclesia, . . hic e
st arca Noe (1). Ond’è 
che poteasi, come osserva il Ballerini, considerarlo quale pubblico scismatico e eretico, ed in conseguenza per se 
decaduto dal pontificato, se anche ad esso fosse stato validamente inalzato.
”
 
(Il trionfo della santa sede e della 
chi
esa contro gli assatti dei
 
novatori, p. 47) Translation: “
Now such harassment she, the Church received from 
Benedict, who obstinately with the fact attacked the article unam, sancatm? He fulminated these most terrible 
anathemas against the Council, and aga
inst adherents to other Pontiffs, and made the more precipitous attacks in 
order to keep himself on the illegitimately occupied throne; claiming that the Church of Jesus Christ to have 
perished in all other parts of the world, and that it was restricted on
ly in Paniscola, as he said to the legates of the 
Council: ‘That is not a Church, but in Paniscola, I say, is the true Church,. . This is Noah's Ark’. So then be could be 
considered, as noted by Ballerini, to have been a public schismatic and heretic, and 
consequently to have fallen 
from papacy, even if he had been validly elevated to it.”
although pious and probable cannot be said to be certain and common. For this reason the h
ypothesis is 
to be accepted and the question resolved. 
 
    
“A second opinion holds that the Roman Pontiff forfeits his power automatically even on account of 
occult heresy. This opinion is rightly said by Bellarmine to be based upon a false supposition, n
amely 
that even occult heretics are completely separated from the body of the Church... The third opinion 
thinks that the Roman Pontiff does not automatically forfeit his power and cannot be deprived of it by 
deposition even for manifest heresy. This asser
tion is very rightly said by Bellarmine to be ‘extremely 
improbable’. 
 
    
“The fourth opinion, with Suarez, Cajetan and others, contends that a Pope is not automatically 
deposed even for manifest heresy, but that he can and must be deposed by at least a d
ecl
aratory 
sentence of the crime. ‘
Which opinion
 
in my judgment is indefensible’,
 
as Bellarmine teaches. 
 
    
“Finally, there is the fifth opinion 
-
 
that of Bellarmine himself 
-
 
which was expressed initially and is 
rightly defended by Tanner and others as the best proven and the most common. For he who is no 
longer a member of the body of the Church, i.e. the 
Church as a visible society, cannot be the head of 
the Universal Church. 
But a Pope who fell into public heresy would cease by that very fact to be a 
member of the Church. Therefore he would also cease by that very fact to be the head of the Church
. 
 
    
“
Indeed, a publicly heretical Pope, who, by the commandment of Christ and the Apostle must even be 
avoided because of the danger to the Church, must be deprived of his power as almost all admit. But he 
cannot be deprived by a merely declaratory sentence... 
Wherefore, 
it must be firmly stated that a 
heretical Roman Pontiff would by that very fact forfeit his power
. Although 
a declaratory sentence of 
the crime
 
which is not to be rejected 
in so far as it is merely declaratory would be such that the 
heretical po
pe would not be judged, but would rather be shown to have been judged.
”
 
      
Thus, the 
great 
Jesuit canonists
 
of the Gregorian University
 
explain that Opinion No. 5 of St. Robert 
Bellarmine is based on the doctrine of Pope Innocent III, who said in Sermo 
II: 
"In tantum enim fides mihi 
necessaria est ut cum de caeteris peccatis solum Deum judicem habeam, propter solum peccatum quod 
in fide commititur possem ab Ecclesia judicari. 
Nam qui non credit, iam iudicatus est
. (Joh.3 18)."
,
 
and 
“I 
say the less
 
that h
e can be judged by men, but rather 
be shown to be already judged
.”
16
 
Thus it is not an 
exception to the principle, 
Apostolica Sedes a nemine iudicatur
, as many had taught before the solemn 
definition of the universal papal primacy of jurisdiction by the Fir
st Vatican Council made such an 
interpretation impossible, but rather, as Paul Hinschius explained in hi
s monumental work on Canon 
Law
17
, 
a series
 
of
 
Catholic 
writers
,
 
and
 
already 
Innocent III and
 
St. Robert Bellarmine
, 
see no exception
 
to that rule
, 
because a pope who falls into heresy would already leave
 
the Church
 
and forfeit the 
Pontificate
, so that a
 
council could no longer 
 
dep
ose him
 
(in the proper sense of a juridical deposition
 
of a reigning Pontiff
)
, but could only declare that the loss of of
fice had taken place
: 
«
Eine Reihe 
katholischer Schriftsteller  wollen aber darin keine Ausnahme von der gedachten Regel finden, weil der 
16
 
«Minus dico; 
quia potest ab hominibus judicari, 
vel potius judicatus ostendi
»
  
–
  
Sermo IV De Diversis
17
 
System des katholischen Kirchenrechts mit besonderer Rücksicht 
auf Deutschland, Erster Band, Berlin
, 1869, p. 
307.
in Ketzerei verfallene Papst sich dadurch s
elbst von der Kirche ausscheide
, damit weiter den Pontifikat 
verwirke und al
so das Konzil keine Deposition mehr verhängen könne, sondern nur die Thatsache des 
erfolgten Verlustes der Päpstlichen Würde zu konstatiren habe. [3] (Dieser Gedanke tritt schon bei 
Innocenz III. auf (im Sermo IV. In consecrat. pontiff. opp. Colon. 1575. 1
. 197):
 
«
Potest (pontifex) ab 
hominibus iudicari vel potius iudicatus ostendi, si videlicet evanescat in haeresim, quoniam 
qui non credit, iam iudicatus est
» ) 
Vgl. ferner Bellarmin, christ. Fidei controv. gen. III. De Romano 
pontifice II. 30. (ed. Ingolst
adt. 1605. 1083):
 
«
Est ergo opinio quinta vera, pa
pam 
haereticum 
manifestum per se desinere esse 
[
papam et caput, sicut per se desinit esse
]
 
christianus et 
membrum corporis Ecclesiae;
 
 
quare ab ecclesia posse eum iudicari et puniri. Haec est 
sententia omni
um veterum patrum qui docent haereticos manifestos mox amittere omnem 
jurisdictionem
»
; Fagnan. comm. Ad c. 4. X. de elect. I. 6. n. 70 ff; Fragosi, regimen reipubl. Christianae 
lib. II. c. I. §. 2. n. 21 (Lugduni. 1648. 2, 
11); Kober, Deposition. S. 585.
 
»
 
(see translation in Part II)
 
     
With an arrogant stupidity that nearly defies belief, Salza and Siscoe say that it is I who have not 
understood the teaching of St. Robert Bellarmine correctly, in spite of the fact that all the great scholars, 
canonists,
 
jurists and theologians of recent centuries have unanimously understood Bellarmine
’
s 
doctrine in the manner that I have explained it; yet it is on the basis of their own grotesquely inverted 
interpretation of Bellarmine and of 
Mystici Corporis
 
that they o
bstinately justify their heretical doctrine, 
that heresy by itself does not separate the heretic from the Church without an ecclesiastical censure or 
judgment 
–
 
whereas it is plainly set forth and proven by Bellarmine that it is the unanimous teaching of 
t
he Fathers interpreting scripture that heresy in its very nature severs one from the Church, and directly 
brings about the loss of ecclesiastical office before and even without any judgment of the Church; and 
being the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, it
 
must be believed 
de fide
. 
 
     
Salza and Siscoe still adamantly maintain, that, « As we explain in great detail in our book, Bellarmine 
and Suarez teach that the Pope will lose his office, ipso facto, once he is judged by the Church to be a 
heretic, with
out the additional juridical act of vitandus declaration. » Wernz and Vidal have explained 
that the opinion of Suarez is not that of Bellarmine, who says Opinon No. 5 is the “true opinion”, but 
that Suarez subscribed to Opinion No. 4. Thus, Salza and Sisco
e quote Suarez to justify their errant 
doctrine, claiming that those who follow Bellarmine in saying that the loss of office ta
kes place before 
any judgment, 
«
have erred is by interpreting the ipso facto loss of office to be similar to an “ipso facto” 
lata
e sententiæ excommunication, which occurs automatically (or ipso facto), when one commits an 
offense that carries the penalty, without requiring an antecedent judgment by the Church. But this is not 
at all what Bellarmine and Suarez meant by the ipso facto
 
loss of office.  What they 
meant
 
is that the 
ipso facto loss of office occurs after the Church judges the Pope to be a heretic and before any 
additional juridical sentence or excommunication (which differs from Cajetan’s opinion). In other words, 
af
ter the Church establishes “the fact” that the Pope is a manifest heretic, he, according to this opinion, 
is deemed to lose his office ipso facto (“by the fact”). This is clear from the following quotation from 
Suarez who wrote: 
 
       
‘Therefore, others 
[e.g., Azorius] affirm the Church is superior to the Pope in the case of heresy, but 
this is difficult to say. For Christ the Lord constituted the Pope as supreme judge absolutely; even the 
canons indifferently and generally affirm this; and at length the 
Church does not validly exercise any act 
of jurisdiction against the Pope; nor is the power conferred to him by election, rather [the Church] 
merely designates a person upon whom Christ confers the power by himself; Therefore on deposing a 
heretical Pope, 
the Church would not act as superior to him, but juridically and by the consent of Christ 
she would declare him a heretic and therefore unworthy of Pontifical honors; he would THEN ipso facto 
and immediately be deposed by Ch
rist…’ 
»
 
 
     
Incredibly, Salza
 
and Siscoe have interpreted Bellarmine by quoting Suarez
 
(and John of St. Thomas)
! 
In order to arrive at Bellarmine's meaning, it is necessary to make a critical examination of Bellarmine's 
own words; but Salza and Siscoe attempt to determine Bellarmine's
 
meaning by quoting Suarez
 
and 
John of St. Thomas
 
—
 
and these are the men who say, Fr. Kramer is an amateur! I will provide a critical 
commentary on St. Robert Bellarmine's teaching on this question in
 
a later segment of this work
. Since it 
may be necessar
y to devote entire articles to each of the five opinions, I will only comment on them 
briefly here; since Salza and Sicoe have expounded on this topic so ig
norantly, that a full refutatio
n of 
their errors needs to be done. 
 
     
In their insolent ignorance
, these mere dilettantes (Salza and Siscoe), who have no formal education 
in Sacred Theology or in Canon Law, and who cannot read theological works in Latin (the language of 
Sacred Theology), nor in Italian or German, have even gone so far as to say that t
he above mentioned 
eminent canonists of the Pontifical Gregorian University have wrongly interpreted Suarez
 
and 
Bellarmine
, saying that they equate the opinion of Suarez with Cajetan; whereas in reality they did no 
such thing. What they did say is that Sua
rez and Cajetan were both of Opinion No. 4. Each had his own 
variation of the Fourth Opinion, but both of them opined that a manifest heretic pope would not lose 
office until judged by the Church 
–
 
according to Cajetan by deposition, and according to Suare
z, the 
logically incoherent opinion that the heretic pope would lose office 
ipso facto
 
for heresy, but only after 
having been judged
 
juridically
 
by the Church, which amounts to a form of deposition. 
Wernz and Vidal 
correctly explain 
Bellarmine’s Opinion No
. 5
, which
 
holds
 
that “
a Pope who fell into public heresy would 
cease by that very fact to be a member of the Church
 
[…] 
he cannot be deprived by a merely 
declaratory sentence...
 
Wherefore, 
it must be firmly stated that a heretical Roman Pontiff would by 
that very fact
 
[of falling into heresy]
 
forfeit his power
.
”
 
This is exactly what Bellarmine says, to wit,
that 
a manifest heretic pope ceases to be pope, a Christian, and a member of the Church 
by himself
 
(
per se
), 
having left the Church and the pontificate
 
by his own judgment
, and not after the judgment of others: 
“
the true opinion is the fifth, according to which the Pope who is manifestly a heretic ceases by himself 
to be Pope and head, in the same way as he ceases to be a Christian and a member of the bo
dy of the 
Church
”
18
; and, “
heretics are outside the Church, even before excommunication, and deprived of all 
jurisdiction, for they are condemned by their own judgment”
19
.
 
Salza & Siscoe simplistically equate the 
fourth opinion exclusively with the opinion o
f Cajetan,
 
obvlivious of the fact that many variations of the
 
fourth opinion had
 
already been formulated by
 
medieval canonists centuries before Cajetan. That 
opinion had achieved its classical formulation from Cajetan in the 16
th
 
Century, so in refuting Op
inion 
No. 4, Bellarmine zeroed in on Cajetan’s formulation of it. 
 
18
 
De Romano Pontifice
 
II xxx, on the fifth opinion
 
19
 
De Romano Pontifice
 
II xxx, on the fourth opinion
 
     
Opinion No. 2 differs essentially from Opinion No. 5 in that in the case of a secret heretic, the heretic 
has not pronounced judgment against himself, thereby ceasing by his own judgme
nt against himself 
to be pope, as does the manifest heretic
; and does not cease to be a visible member of the Church 
as 
does the manifest heretic
. Although he would remain united to the Church by external union only; so
, 
as a practical hypothesis,
 
he would
 
not cease being pope for the sin of occult heresy, 
because no 
judgment of men can be pronounced against him, nor does he resign voluntarily 
–
 
and, since the 
heretic pope was made pope with the cooperation of men, so he will not be removed except through 
m
en. Bellarmine states explicitly, “
Nam iurisdictio datur quidem Pontifici a Deo, sed hominum opera 
concurrente, ut patet; quia ab hominibus habet iste homo, qui ante non erat Papa, ut incipiat esse Papa; 
igitur non aufertur a Deo nisi per hominem, 
at haere
ticus occultus non potest ab homine iudicari; nec 
ipse sponte eam potestatem vult relinquere
.”
 
The reason why God cannot secretly depose a heretic 
pope is that it is impossible for the visible head of the Church on earth to be invisibly removed, and 
theref
ore if he is to be removed, he must be removed by men in a visible manner.
 
In
 
his explanation of 
Opinion No.No. 5
 
and 
his refutation of Opinion No. 4, Bellarmine explained
 
how a heretic pope would be 
visibly removed from the Pontificate:
 
the manifest heret
ic pope 
would cease
 
to be pope
 
“by himself”
 
(
per se
)
, i.e., 
by his own judgment against himself and not by others
, and then, having
 
already
 
fallen 
from the pontificate
 
directly by his own actions, he could
 
then 
be judged and punished by men
; and 
he 
explains 
at some length 
why a pope while still in office 
cannot be judged and deposed by his 
subjects
.
 
Bellarmine’s refutation of Opinion No. 2 must be understood according to the unequivocal
 
doctrine he
 
sets forh in his explanation 
of Opinion No. 5, namel
y, that 
the manifest heretic pope would 
cease “by himself” to be pope, a Christian, and a member of the Church; and 
“for which reason”
 
(
quare
) 
having ceased to be pope, “he may be judged and punished by the Church.” 
Thus, the judgment he 
speaks of in order
 
to bring about the removal of the heretic from the papal throne is
 
quite obviously
 
a 
post factum
 
declaration of the 
ipso facto
 
loss of office, i.e. a 
declaratory sentence
 
that the man who 
was pope has lost office
, and not a 
judicial or juridical se
ntence
,
 
i.e. a 
judicial
 
or juridical
 
verdict of 
guilt on the pope
 
while still in office,
 
which as a dispositive cause brings about the 
ipso facto
 
loss of 
office
; because such a judgment requires the jurisdiction of a superior, and therefore is impossible to be 
ma
de by non
-
superiors who lack jurisdiction
. 
Since the solemn definition of the papal primacy, it is no 
longer permissible to hold the
 
latter
 
opinion
, and can be seen to be heretical,
 
that a pope while still in 
office can be judged by anyone on earth for any
 
reason, 
because 
papal 
immunity
 
pertains to the very 
essence of the 
judicial supremacy
 
of the primacy
 
as solemnly defined by the First Vatican Council
, and it 
has been repeatedly taught by the popes that the pope cannot be judged by anyone.
 
Nevertheless,
 
Salza 
an
d Siscoe stubbornly hold to their heretical opinion that a heretic pope would not lose office unless 
judged
 
juridically
 
by the
 
public judgment of the
 
Church; an
 
opinion which directly opposes the
 
doctrine 
of the injudicability of the pope, which p
ertains to the essence of the
 
dogma of the universal primacy of 
jurisdiction of the Roman Pontiff. 
 
     
As I pointed out above, the observation of Hinschius that many Catholic authors had already avoided 
the conflict between the
 
problematic
 
doctrine that a pope
, by way of exception,
 
can be judged by the 
Church 
and deposed for heresy,
 
and the principle opposed to it, namely, 
Apostolica Sedes a nemine 
iudicatur
;
 
by advancing
 
the opinion that the manifest heretic pope falls from office by himse
lf before 
any judgment is made against him by the Church, so that a Council would not be able to depose him, but 
would only declare the fact that the pope had fallen
 
from the pontificate;  and he quotes Innocent III 
and Belarmine as holding
 
this opinion. I
t remains here only to be said, that Pope Gregory XVI (quoted 
above) was also of this same opinion as Bellarmine, and he based his opinion on the doctrine of 
Ballerini, who explained it with great erudition in his work, 
De Potestate Ecclesiastica
. Pope Gre
gory had 
said of 
papal claimant 
Benedict XIII, “So then he could be considered, as noted by Ballerini, to have been 
a public schismatic and heretic, and consequently to have fallen from papacy, even if he had been validly 
elevated to it.” Ballerini wrote o
f this same case saying, 
“For this double reason of schism and heresy 
Benedict XIII (if one believes him to have been a true Pontiff), by his own will ipso facto abdicated the 
primacy and the pontificate, [and] rightly and legitimately was able to be depos
ed by the Council as a 
schismatic and heretic, which was not the case with John XXIII, which in the sentence passed against him 
was not stated
. One sees
 
by what means the divine providence employed the synod of Constance to end 
the most tenacious schism, s
o that that synod did not need to exercise any power of jurisdiction by its 
authority to depose any true, albeit unknown, actual Pontiff.”
 
20
 
Ballerini says here that if Benedict XIII 
had been a valid pope; by his heresy and schism he would have 
ipso facto
 
of his own volition (
sua 
voluntate
) 
“abdicated the primacy and the pontificate” (primatu et pontificatu exauctoratus”
; and for 
that reason the Council could rightly and correctly
 
depose him. However, this self
-
deposition having 
taken place before any 
judgment
 
or 
canonical 
warnings
,
 
(
t
he warnings were 
not canonical 
admonitions, 
but were 
made 
only 
in charity
) 
by the Council, the Council in its judgment decl
ared that he had shown 
himself 
to be a schismatic and heretic, therefore, Ballerini explains, the C
ouncil did not declare that it 
had “deposed” him,
 
but simply that he was deposed
 
(
depositum d
eclaruit potius quam deposuit
). Hence,
 
the Council did not depose him but declared him deposed
 
“
as a precautionary measure
”
 
(
“ad 
omnem 
cautelam”
)
,
 
 
and that he had
 
been automatically
 
cast out by 
God
,
 
and
 
deprived of all office and 
ecclesiastical dignity 
ipso jure
 
due to obstinate heresy and schism. Thus the council's judgment 
(
Session 
37) 
did not depose or in any way cause him to lose office, but merely declared it 
post factum
: 
“
For, how 
greatly he has sinned against God's church and the entire christian people, fostering, and continuing the 
schism and division of God's church How ardent and frequent have been the devout and humble 
prayers, exhortations and requests 
of kings, princes and prelates with which he has been warned in 
charity, in accordance with the teaching of the gospel, to bring peace to the church, to heal its wounds 
and to reconstitute its divided parts into one structure and one body, as he had sworn 
to do, and as for a 
long time it was within his power to do ! He was unwilling, however, to listen to their charitable 
admonitions. How many were the persons afterwards sent to attest to him! Because he did not listen at 
all even to these, it has been nece
ssary, in accordance with the aforesaid evangelical teaching of Christ, 
to say to the church, since he has not listened even to her, that he should be treated as a heathen and a 
publican. All these things have been clearly proved by the articles coming fro
m the inquiry into faith and 
the schism held before this present synod, regarding the above and other matters brought against him, 
as well as by their truth and notoriety. The proceedings have been correct and canonical, all the acts 
20
 
«Hac itaque duplici schismate & haeresis  causa Benedictus XIII. , (si verum Pontificem fuisse exis
times) ipso 
facto sua voluntate primatu & pontificatu exauctoratus, rite ac legitime deponi potuit a Concilio tamquam 
schismaticus & haereticus; quod non congrueret Joanni XXIII, in sententia contra hunc edita declaratum non 
legitur.
 
18 Vides interim, quib
us modis divina providentia usa est ad abolendum per Constantiensem synudum 
pertinacissimam schisma, ut ne opus esset eamdem synodum quiquam juris exercere ad deponendum sua 
auctoritate quempiam verum, licet ignotum, actual
em Pontificem.
 
»
 
(p. 138)
have been correctly an
d carefully examined and there has been mature deliberation. Therefore this 
same holy general synod, representing the universal church and sitting as a tribunal in the aforesaid 
inquiry, pronounces, decrees and declares by this definitive sentence written 
here, that the same Peter 
de Luna, called Benedict XIII as has been said, has been and is a perjurer, a cause of scandal to the 
universal church, a promoter and breeder of the ancient schism, that long established fission and 
division in God's holy church,
 
an obstructer of the peace and unity of the said church, a schismatic 
disturber and a heretic, a deviator from the faith, a persistent violator of the article of the faith One holy 
catholic church, incorrigible, notorious and manifest in his scandal to Go
d's church, and that he has 
rendered himself unworthy of every title, rank, honour and dignity, rejected and cut off by God, 
deprived by the law itself of every right in any way belonging to him in the papacy or pertaining to the 
Roman pontiff and the Roma
n church, and cut off from the catholic church like a withered member. This 
same holy synod, moreover, as a precautionary measure, since according to himself he actually holds 
the papacy, deprives, deposes and casts out the said Peter from the papacy and f
rom being the supreme 
pontiff of the Roman church and from every title, rank, honour, dignity, benefice and office whatsoever. 
It forbids him to act henceforth as the pope or as the supreme and Roman pontiff. It absolves and 
declares to be absolved all Chr
ist's faithful from obedience to him, and from every duty of obedience to 
him and from oaths and obligations in any way made to him. It forbids each and every one of Christ's 
faithful to obey, respond to or attend to, as if he were pope, the said Peter de 
Luna, who is a notorious, 
declared and deposed schismatic and incorrigible heretic, or to sustain or harbour him in any way 
contrary to the aforesaid, or to offer
 
him help, advice or good will.”
   
 
21
        
     
     
 
21
 
«
Qui 
quantum in ecclesiam dei et universum populum christianum peccaverit schisma et divisionem ecclesiae 
dei fovens nutriens atque continuans: quantis quam que frequentibus devotis et humilibus regum principum et 
praelatorum precibus exhortationibus et requisi
tionibus charitative iuxta doctrinam evangelicam admonitus fuerit 
ut pacem daret ecclesiae et illius sanaret vulnera et eius partes divisas in unam compaginem et corpus unum 
reficeret quemadmodum ipse iuraverat erat que et diu fuit in sua potestate: quos t
amen charitative corripientes 
nullatenus voluit exaudire quot sint postmodum testes adhibiti quibus etiam minime exauditis necesse fuit 
secundum praedictam christi evangelicam doctrinam dicere ecclesiae quam quia etiam non audivit habendus sit 
tamquam ethn
icus et publicanus: capitula in causa inquisitionis fidei et schismatis coram praesenti sancta synodo 
generali super praemissis et aliis contra eum edita ac illorum veritas et notorietas declaravit manifeste.
 
 
«Super quibus rite et canonice processo ac omn
ibus rite actis ac diligenter inspectis habita que super ipsis 
deliberatione matura eadem sancta generalis synodus universalem ecclesiam repraesentans in dicta inquisitionis 
causa pro tribunali sedens pronunciat decernit et declarat per hanc definitivam se
ntentiam in his scriptis eumdem 
Petrum de Luna Benedictum XIII ut praemittitur nuncupatum fuisse et esse periurum universalis ecclesiae 
scandalizatorem fautorem et nutritorem inveterati schismatis inveteratae scissurae et divisionis ecclesiae sanctae 
dei p
acis et unionis eiusdem ecclesiae impeditorem et turbatorem schismaticum et haereticum a fide devium et 
articuli fidei unam sanctam catholicam ecclesiam violatorem pertinacem cum scandalo ecclesiae dei incorrigibilem 
notorium et manifestum atque omni titul
o gradu honore et dignitate se reddidisse indignum a deo eiectum et 
praecisum et omni iure eidem in papatu et Romano pontifici ac Romanae ecclesiae quomodolibet competente ipso 
iure privatum et ab ecclesia catholica tamquam membrum aridum praecisum.
 
 
«Ipsu
m que Petrum quatenus de facto papatum secundum se tenet eadem sancta synodus papatu et summo 
ecclesiae Romanae pontificio omni que titulo gradu honore dignitate beneficiis et officiis quibuscumque ad omnem 
cautelam privat et deponit et abiicit.
 
 
     
Thus, the doctrine 
that a hereti
c pope would lose office 
by himself, before any sentence, judgment, 
or 
declaration, was already affirmed and applied by the Council of Constance, 
in the decree that cleared 
the way for the election of Pope Martin V.
 
A
s Hinschius observed in the above cited
 
passage, this 
opinion is supported by the doctrine of Pope Innocent III, expressed in the words: «Potest (pontifex) ab 
hominibus iudicari vel potius iudicatus ostendi, si videlicet evanescat in haeresim, quoniam qui non 
credit, iam iudicatus est» 
–
 
that t
he pontiff can be judged or rather that he can be shown to be judged”; 
and thus Wernz and Vidal cited above, “Wherefore, it must be firmly stated that a heretical Roman 
Pontiff would by that very fact forfeit his power. Although a declaratory sentence of t
he crime which is 
not to be rejected in so far as it is merely declaratory would be such that the heretical pope would not 
be judged, but would rather be shown to have been judged.”
 
     
Ballerini,
 
However, is the most explicit in stating that the fall of 
a manifest heretic pope takes place 
without any judgment of the Church. With the Latin text of the book in front of me and the chapter on 
this topic before my
 
eyes, I cite the key passage:
 
«
For
 
any person, even a private person
, the words of 
Saint Paul to 
Titus hold: 
“A man that is a 
heretic
, after the first and second admonition avoid
 
: knowing 
that he that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment.”
 
(Tit. 3,
 
10
-
11). He forsooth, who having been once or twice corrected, does not repent, but remains obstinate 
in a belief contrary to a manifest or defined dogma; by this his public pertinacity which for no reason can 
be excused, since pertinacity properly pertain
s to heresy, he declares himself to be a heretic, i.e. to have 
withdrawn from the Catholic faith and the Church by his own will, so that no declaration or sentence 
from anyone would be necessary. 
Conspicuous in this matter is the explanation of St. Jerome 
on the 
commended words of Paul. 
Therefore, by himself [the heretic] is said to be condemned, because the 
fornicator, adulterer, murderer, and those guilty of other misdeeds are driven out from the Church by the 
Priests: but heretics deliver the sentence up
on themselves, departing from the Church by their own will: 
this departure is seen to be the condemnation by their own conscience.
 
Therefore a Pontiff, who after 
such a solemn and public admonition from the Cardinals, Roman Clergy, or even a synod would ma
intain 
himself hardened in heresy, and have openly departed from the Church, according to the precept of 
Paul he would have to be avoided; and lest the ruin be brought to the rest, his heresy and contumacy, 
and thus his sentence which he brought upon himse
lf, would have to be publicly pronounced, made 
known to the whole Church, that he by his own will departed, making known to be severed from the 
 
«Eidem qu
e inhibet ne deinceps pro papa aut Romano et summo pontifice se gerat omnes que christicolas ab eius 
oboedientia et omni debito oboedientiae ipsius atque iuramentis et obligationibus eidem quomodolibet praestitis 
absolvit et absolutos fore declarat ac omni
bus et singulis christi fidelibus inhibet sub poena fautoriae schismatis et 
haeresis atque privationis omnium beneficiorum dignitatum et honorum ecclesiasticorum et mundanorum et aliis 
poenis iuris etiam si episcopalis et patriarchalis cardinalatus regalis
 
sit dignitas ac imperialis quibus si contra hanc 
inhibitionem fecerint sint auctoritate huius decreti et sententiae ipso facto privati et alias iuris incurrant poenas ne 
eidem Petro de Luna schismatico et haeretico incorrigibili notorio declarato et depos
ito tamquam papae oboediant 
pareant vel intendant aut eum quovis modo contra praemissa sustineant vel receptent sibi que praestent auxilium 
consilium vel favorem.»
 
 
body of the Church, and in some manner to have abdicated the Pontificate, which no one holds or can 
hold, who is
 
not in the Church.
 
»
 
22
 
     
It is ironic and quite simply incredible, (but nevertheless true), that Salza and Siscoe quote this text in 
support of their opinion that a manifest heretic pope does not lose office unless he is first given official 
warning by
 
the Church, and then, if he remains obstinate in heresy, he would then lose office upon 
being judged by the Church. Firstly, Ballerini is clearly presenting this argument against those who 
maintain that it is necessary in order that the Church render a ju
dgment, such a manifest heretic pope 
must be judged by an ecumenical council. In Section II of Chapter IX, he asks why not resort to a simpler 
solution than convoking a general synod when there is the most grave and present danger of a heretic 
pope : 
«
But 
why is it to be believed, that the remedy is to be expected from the not so easily done 
convocation of a general synod, when a most present and gravest of all  dangers for the faith, which, 
impending from a Pontiff espousing heresy even in his private judg
ment, would not be able to be 
endured through lengthy delays
?
 
»
 
23
 
And he says in the case of a pope falling into heresy there 
is a 
faster and easier remedy: 
«
Remedium in casu haeresis, in quam Pontifex incideret
, promtius & facilius 
suppetit.
 
»
 
He quotes S
t. Paul to Titus, saying a heretic after a first and second warning is to be avoided, 
and that such a one is condemned by his own judgment, and this can be done by any private person, 
and so it could even be done by cardinals, the Roman clergy, or even a (
local) synod of bishops 
–
  
and if 
he does not retract, but remains obstinate in his opinion either contrary to a manifest or a defined 
dogma, such pertinacity not being able to be excused, he declares himself openly to be a heretic, to 
have withdrawn from 
the Catholic faith by his own will, cutting himself off from the body of the Church, 
without any declaration or sentence being made. In support of this opinion, he quotes St. Jerome, 
exactly as did Bellarmine.    

 
 
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ReplyDeleteIf the 'pope' is teaching contrary to Magisterium/Sacred Tradition, than the pope claimant is not pope. The Vicar of Christ has the infallible protection of the Holy Spirit. Clearly, Joseph Ratzinger and Jorge Bergoglio departed from dogma.
DeleteNeither men renounced the Lutheranized/masonic novus ordo missae; neither renounced the UNholy Second Vatican II 1962-65 Council with its MANY contradictions; neither renounced the Assisi Meetings began by John Paul II............
There is NO GRAND AUTHORITY in the new religion of the post Vatican 2 Council.
If any call Francis pope than they must adhere to all that he teaches without exception and not sift his teachings.
Per Father Kramer, it is the nature of the sin of heresy which separates the Heretic from his office, not the judgment of any man. The declaration by clergy is simply an acknowledgment that the deposition from office has already taken place.
DeleteHey, guys, this is not meant to be off-topic, but hold your horses for a second............. WHAT IF the Third Secret of Fatima contains a prophesy that after 1960 Sister Lucia would become silenced by the Vatican and an impostor would take her place who would for a time falsify the Message of Fatima?
ReplyDeleteThat would explain why "after 1960 it would become clearer" and it would also explain why the accused Vatican has not released the authentic Third Secret, and furthermore, it would vindicate these problems Fr. Kramer brings to light in his (yet unpublished) work.
We should all pray for him, since he has been shunned by his fellow traditional priests, like Msgr. Perez et. al., and therefore suffers from exclusion, like from the recent Fatima Conference in Irvine, CA, and if he is really touching a sensitive nerve in the Vatican perhaps his life will become in danger. That would be nothing new.