Whaaa? Russia Must Now Convert Us to the Faith, says endorsement of the Fatima Moscow Conference......Well if "Sister Lucy" can be Vatican IIized, I guess the Consecration of Russia can be also.

Update: The Fatima Center has responded to our post and has put out the following notice.

To all,

 

Dr. Bruce Walters does not speak for – nor represent in any capacity – The Fatima Center.  Whatever he writes for other venues – even if he is advertising a Fatima Center event – is strictly his own opinion.  As with other writers and speakers – including Dr. Chojnowski – who have been affiliated with The Fatima Center, we have no control over what they speak or write about elsewhere.

 

The following 4 Fatima Center publications were translated into Russian and brought to and distributed at the Moscow Conference:

 

1.      The True Story of Fatima

2.      Crusader 49 (The Magnificent Promises of the Five First Saturdays)

3.      The Brown Scapular Booklet

4.      A World View Based on Fatima

 

Please tell me which of these booklets deviates from Fr Gruner’s and The Fatima Center’s original mission.

 

Dr. Chojnowski is correct to criticize Dr. Walters, but nobody has the right to claim – or even imply – that The Fatima Center either shares or endorses the stated beliefs of Dr. Walters on this matter.

 

Andrew Cesanek

Dr. Chojnowski: Thank you, Andy for this clarification. With great affection for the Fatima Center, I withdraw even the slightest hint that Dr. Walter's article was a statement of the Fatima Center or an official advertisement of their Moscow Conference. I have never read a text put out by the Fatima Center --- AT ANY TIME -- that has been unorthodox or compromised. I would never have spent 15 years backing all of their efforts if I found such false teaching. Why the Canadian Fatima Center seems to be withdrawing from the solid traditionalist orientation of Fr. Nicholas Gruner by not emphasizing the Revolution of Apostasy in the Church, is to me a great concern. I hope that it is a misperception on my part. As Fr. Gruner and John Vennari always emphasized, the central point of the Fatima message was the truth and purity of the Catholic Faith, especially relevant during this Age of Apostasy.

See, let us just speak the honest truth and resolve all that can be resolved in light of that truth. Simple, really. I change my title below in light of  Andy's clarification above.

Now to the original article by Dr. Walters:

Below is an endorsement of the Fatima Conference in Moscow by Dr. Bruce Walters. See any problems here?

Letter from Traditional Catholics: 'Russia is God’s Chosen Nation to Re-Convert the West'

Russia is emerging as the world’s most powerful Christian state, even while the formerly-Christian nations of the West sink into decadence and paganism

Bruce W. Walters M.D.Oct 26, 2017

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Russian Orthodox believers might be surprised to learn that a traditional Roman Catholic in the USA finds most of what is published on this website to be spiritually uplifting and historically fascinating.
A Catholic conference[i] scheduled in Moscow, Russia on November 4-5, 2017, will explain the traditional Catholic perspective on why the world desperately needs Russia now:  heaven has chosen Russia to turn the world back to Christian faith.
Speakers at the conference will include two prominent Russians:  Elena Chudinova, author of the best-selling future-fiction novel The Mosque of Notre Dame; and Stanislav Protosenko, former political science and history lecturer at St. Petersburg State University.
The Fatima Center[ii] is a traditional Catholic organization sponsoring the conference.  Many traditional Catholics believe that the 1917 apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima predicted (when understood in light of contemporary history) that Russia is God’s chosen nation to re-convert (re-Christianize) the once-Christian, now-essentially-pagan West...........

In 1929, Our Lady of Fatima reappeared to Sister Lucia, the only surviving Fatima child seer, by then an adult nun -- and asked for the Pope, together with all the Catholic bishops of the world on a single day, to publicly consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart.
In the 20th century, Catholics assumed that this consecration was needed in order to free Russia from the dark night of atheistic communism.  But the consecration has never been done in the specific manner requested.
Now it is clear that the consecration is needed precisely because Holy Mother Russia is appointed by heaven to bring a new period of peace to the world.  In the 21st Century, Russia is emerging as the world’s most powerful Christian state, even while the formerly-Christian nations of the West sink into decadence and paganism.   We traditional Catholics believe God wants Russia consecrated -- which means, set aside for a holy purpose.......

Traditional Catholics hold that only two Churches have unbroken apostolic succession and therefore valid sacraments:  the Catholic Churches in union with Rome, and the Orthodox Churches.  Traditional Catholics cringe at the antics of Pope Francis, who routinely says and does things that seemingly cannot be reconciled with the timeless doctrines of the Church.   Some wonder if he is, in fact, a heretic.
We look upon the resurgence of the Russian Orthodox Church with hope and joy, wondering if perhaps God has used the millennium-long “schism” as a means of preserving true faith and Christian practice in the East -- for this very time when the West is forsaking its Christian roots and descending into paganism and chaos.
Traditional Catholics reject modernist thought and practice, and insist on personally following the timeless teachings of the Church.  They attend the traditional Latin Mass, which was standardized by Pope Pius V in 1570, with very minor adjustments made up until 1962.   They attempt to personally follow the strict Christian moral code that was never questioned prior to the modern era.   Just as they strive to preserve timeless Catholic tradition in belief and practice, they view the resurgence of Orthodox Christianity in Russia as a cause for great hope.

Dr. Chojnowski: This advertisement for the Fatima Conference currently being held in Moscow --- not Moscow, Idaho (which never got a conference, by the way), but Moscow, Russia, currently posted on an Eastern Orthodox website entitled, "Russian Faith" http://russian-faith.com/letter-traditional-catholics-russia-god%E2%80%99s-chosen-nation-re-convert-west-n1172, clearly implies, certainly to these Orthodox blog masters, Dr. Walter's states here that whereas in the 20th century it was presupposed [wrongly, apparently] that Russia was to be consecrated in order to "free Russia from the dark night of atheistic communism" [Of course, this was assumed to be the case for at least 70 years.....by, basically, everyone.] That clearly was wrong, "Now it is clear that the consecration is needed precisely because Holy Mother Russia is appointed by heaven to bring a new period of peace to the world."  [Is everything to be sacrificed to "peace"....including the idea that we have the true faith which all must accept in order to be saved].

The real damning paragraph is the following: "We [speaking for all traditional Catholics] look upon the resurgence of the Russian Orthodox Church with hope and joy, wondering if perhaps God has used the millennium-long “schism” as a means of preserving true faith and Christian practice in the East -- for this very time when the West is forsaking its Christian roots and descending into paganism and chaos." Excuse me, this is Vatican II all over. First there is the explicit statement that God could use the Eastern Orthodox organization itself (remember, there is supposed to be one Church and that Church is supposed to be ........... ah, forget it!) as a means "to preserve the true faith" by ---- get this, SEPARATING THE EASTERN ORTHODOX FROM THE HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH for 1,000 years.....because Vatican II is coming along in 1962. Moreover, who the quotations marks around "schism". Were they not in schism by being separated from the Catholic Church, which is the only Church of Jesus Christ? We [speaking for all traditional Catholics of course] now accept that the truth and Christian practice was maintained in Russia by it being separated from the Roman Catholic Church. So it was good that so many Russians, apparently, died in their separation from the Roman Catholic Church?

Isn't saying that the Schismatic Eastern Orthodox, who haven't accepted any of the doctrines defined by the Catholic Magisterium since the 2nd Ecumenical Council of Nicaea, in 787, were preserved by God from being Catholics, "for this very time when the West is forsaking its Christian roots and descending into paganism and chaos," saying that is it is GOOD THAT THE POPES DID NOT CONSECRATE RUSSIA TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY IN ORDER TO CONVERT IT, since He was saving it from union with the Catholic Church in order to allow it in our own time to be the instrument by which WE ARE CONVERTED, a complete inversion of the Fatima Message given in 1917? Wasn't Russia to be converted to the Catholic Faith? No?................

Question: Would the Russian Orthodox been receptive if they were told that they must convert to the Catholic Church if they are to be saved and if they are to be an instrument of God's Peace WITHIN THE TRUE CHURCH AND TRUE FAITH.

But......in summary:
1) Russia HAS THE TRUE FAITH.
2) The West has many deficiencies.
3) What is important is not accepting the Holy Roman Catholic Faith for your own salvation, but THE PHYSICAL PEACE OF THE WORLD.

John Paul II, Benedict XVI, Francis........rejoice, "we" finally agree with you. 😲😲